[syslinux] Lost hotmail

[Gene Cumm]

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Gene Cumm <gene.cumm at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Geert Stappers <stappers at stappers.nl> wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 05:07:04PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:06:58AM +0200, Ady wrote:
>>> > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:21:32PM -0800, Patrick Masotta wrote:
>>> > > >  [ ... Failed to build gnu-efi. ... ]
>>> >
>>> > For some reason I have not received the original email from Patrick
>>> > Masotta in my inbox, so I am using the first reply sent by Geert in
>>> > order to actually reply to the OP...
>>>
>>>
>>> What is visible in the log files of the mail server
>>> of the Syslinux mailinglist?
>>>
>>> Could the mailinglist mail server deliver to the hotmail mail server
>>> that Ady is using?
>>>
>>>
>>> The idea behind those questions is to find out where
>>> the e-mail got lost for 'Ady <ady-sf AT hotmail DOT com>'
>>>
>>>
>>> Additional information of the "lost" e-mail
>>>  Message-ID: <1419193292.37517.YahooMailBasic at web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>  Received: from terminus.zytor.com (terminus.zytor.com [IPv6:2001:1868:205::10])
>>>         by gpm.stappers.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80F313040F7
>>>         for <stappers at stappers.nl>; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:43:35 +0100 (CET)
>>>  Received: from terminus.zytor.com (localhost [IPv6:::1])
>>>         by terminus.zytor.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sBLKLk6j024306;
>>>         Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:22:37 -0800
>>>  Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
>>>         (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150])
>>>         by terminus.zytor.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sBLKLcnR024278
>>>         for <syslinux at zytor.com>; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:21:43 -0800
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Addtional information:
>>
>> On 2014-12-30 got I as moderator of this ML bounce notification
>> with text as
>>
>>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>> <***@lnds.dk>
>>     (reason: 550 5.7.1 The messages violates the DMARC policy of yahoo.com (83c3fcea-9015-11e4-95e4-b82a72d0454d))
>> <***@xs4all.nl>
>>     (reason: 550 5.7.1 DMARC failure for domain yahoo.com, policy reject)
>> <***@yahoo.co.id>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>> <***@yahoo.co.in>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>> <***@yahoo.co.kr>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>> <**0 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>> <**1 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>> <**0 at yahoo.de>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>> <**1 at yahoo.de>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>> <**0 at yahoo.fr>
>>     (reason: 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html)
>>
>>
>>
>> For those who have the power to change it:  Please do!
>
> Reading over it, a simple TXT record for SPF might suffice:
>
>   v=spf1 +mx ~all
>
> My presumption is that Yahoo! spam policy now rates neutral responses
> as spam and rejects (instead of rating them neutral and delivering to
> a user's spam/junk mail folder).  In my opinion, it's a llittle absurd
> for Yahoo! to take this approach but I also recognize that times are
> evolving and it's a reactive security measure to a historically
> insecure system.
>
> --
> -Gene

Alternatively, rewrite the mailing list's config to move the sender to
the "Reply-To:" and set "From:" as syslinux at zytor.com (which feels
uglier and a little more work).  I'm not sure about others but I
personally use the "From:" field for searching instead of doing a full
text search if I want a message _from_ a certain person.


Geert, do you get any reject messages from yahoo.com addresses or is
it only domains in Europe?  For more fun, I see a TXT record for SPF
on yahoo.com but not one on yahoo.de or yahoo.co.uk.

-- 
-Gene